Start a New Chat — What 3 AI Operators Actually Use It For

[00:00] Speaker: 00:02:14 [Dave] Good morning. 00:02:15 [Dave] Good afternoon. 00:02:16 [Dave] Good hello wherever you are, whenever you're joining us. 00:02:20 [Dave] This first episode. 00:02:21 [Dave] So we're, we're gonna hit the ground running and see how we go. 00:02:24 [Dave] But my name is Dave, and joining me are Matt and Mano, and we're the AI Operators podcast here to talk all things AI, how we're using it in the wild, and just to help give you some insights and ideas in two ways perhaps it can help you in your business. 00:02:40 [Dave] Hey, Matt. 00:02:40 [Dave] Hey, Mano. 00:02:41 [Dave] How you going? 00:02:41 [Marno] Good morning. 00:02:43 [Marno] Good day. 00:02:44 [Matt] Great to be here. 00:02:46 [Dave] Now, you know, full disclosure, this is the first time all three of us have been on a call together. 00:02:50 [Dave] Right? 00:02:51 [Marno] Yeah. 00:02:53 [Dave] So, this is this is good, exciting, making new friends in the space, learning from each other. 00:02:58 [Dave] This isn't the case of just rehashing old war stories. 00:03:01 [Dave] This is a case where we're all coming at this from different angles, with different perspectives, with different backgrounds, and trying to make the most of how to leverage AI to help our own businesses and to help other businesses. 00:03:13 [Dave] So, boys, I think, we'll do start us off with a bit of a check-in. 00:03:17 [Dave] So it's obviously midweek. 00:03:19 [Dave] How's everyone's week going? 00:03:21 [Dave] Doesn't have to be AI specific. 00:03:23 [Dave] Just just wanna wanna see see where everyone's at this week. 00:03:27 [Matt] I'll, I'll take it off. 00:03:28 [Matt] So, yeah, my week's been great. 00:03:30 [Matt] My, my workload is absolutely not reducing, and the amount of sleep that I'm getting is not increasing. 00:03:39 [Matt] So, yeah, I come today with about two or three hours sleep, so we'll see how that goes. 00:03:45 [Matt] I know I'll be in trouble for mono from that one. 00:03:47 [Matt] He, tends to see my, my sleep schedule occasionally with various check ins, but, you know, everything's great. 00:03:54 [Matt] I, got a new Internet connection today, so I'm on Starlink now, which 00:03:59 [Dave] is, you 00:04:00 [Matt] know, we'll see how that goes to see if it's stable throughout the show. 00:04:03 [Dave] So far so good. 00:04:05 [Dave] What prompted that? 00:04:06 [Dave] Was it just the NBN was no no good in your area or just 00:04:10 [Matt] Yeah. 00:04:10 [Matt] NBN for me in Jindra is fixed wireless. 00:04:13 [Matt] So it's basically like the town is on Wi Fi. 00:04:17 [Matt] And every individual house has their own antenna that speaks to the tower. 00:04:21 [Matt] And as you can imagine, congestion gets pretty hectic. 00:04:24 [Marno] But Yeah. 00:04:25 [Matt] Yeah. 00:04:26 [Matt] Starlink was easily the winner, and they've recently changed their plans. 00:04:30 [Matt] And all of a sudden, it was cheaper for me now anyway. 00:04:32 [Matt] So 00:04:33 [Dave] Oh, nice. 00:04:33 [Dave] Yeah. 00:04:34 [Dave] I'm I'm lucky I'm on FTTP, so I've got pretty decent speeds on the air. 00:04:38 [Dave] Jealous? 00:04:39 [Marno] Damn. 00:04:39 [Marno] I'm very jealous here. 00:04:40 [Marno] I've never had that FTP. 00:04:42 [Marno] My mate had it when we lived in Valdez, and he was a kilometer away from me. 00:04:47 [Marno] And he would get a gigabit connection, and meanwhile, I'm, like, 20 megabytes down. 00:04:51 [Marno] Like, he was just living his best life. 00:04:53 [Marno] Yeah. 00:04:54 [Marno] Then no. 00:04:55 [Marno] We found that there's a place now in capability that does it's called Southern Cross Networks, I think it is, and they offer it's wireless, but it's a gigabit connection, and it's cheaper than, Starlink, I believe. 00:05:06 [Dave] Nice. 00:05:06 [Marno] Like, it's oh, sorry. 00:05:07 [Marno] It's $10 more trips than Starlink. 00:05:09 [Marno] Sorry. 00:05:10 [Marno] But the gigabit connection, which is pretty cool. 00:05:12 [Dave] I'm cheaping out. 00:05:13 [Dave] I'm still on 500 meg down. 00:05:15 [Dave] I was on, like, a old legacy 100 slash 40 plan 00:05:18 [Marno] Yeah. 00:05:19 [Dave] Which was good because at the 40 up, and especially doing this sort of stuff and doing podcast and content or uploading stuff to YouTube, like, you want the upstream. 00:05:26 [Dave] Most of the plans were, like, 125 or 120. 00:05:29 [Dave] And if I went to, like, a two fifty plan, it was gonna be, like, two fifty twenty five, and I wouldn't get that boost. 00:05:34 [Dave] I was better off staying on the 140. 00:05:36 [Dave] And then recently with the big upgrade they did on the NBN, I went to, like, 550. 00:05:40 [Dave] So I was, like, brilliant. 00:05:41 [Dave] I'll get 500 down now. 00:05:42 [Dave] Right. 00:05:43 [Marno] I don't have to be used for that much, like, that much data because I'm still on fifty and twenty. 00:05:47 [Marno] Like, all I do is game when I can Yeah. 00:05:50 [Marno] And then it's just work. 00:05:52 [Marno] As long as I can watch TV with the missus in the afternoon. 00:05:56 [Marno] The mileage is pretty pretty low. 00:05:58 [Dave] But there now so so getting five hundred five hundred down, 50 up is, pretty good. 00:06:04 [Dave] So, yeah, you're you're, how's your morning been, man? 00:06:06 [Dave] So just just so everyone knows, like, Matt, you and I, we're over here on the East Coast. 00:06:10 [Dave] Your, your country in New South Wales. 00:06:12 [Dave] Right? 00:06:13 [Matt] Yeah. 00:06:13 [Matt] Jindra near Aubrey. 00:06:15 [Matt] It's on the Victorian border. 00:06:17 [Matt] Right on the highway, basically. 00:06:19 [Dave] Nice. 00:06:19 [Dave] Nice. 00:06:20 [Dave] I'm I'm up in Sydney. 00:06:21 [Dave] I'm in the Western Suburbs. 00:06:22 [Dave] And, Mano, you're you're a little bit further west. 00:06:24 [Dave] Right? 00:06:24 [Marno] Yeah. 00:06:25 [Marno] I'm in I'm in Keguli, so we're in the desert. 00:06:28 [Marno] It's been great. 00:06:29 [Marno] I love it. 00:06:29 [Marno] It's good quality of life. 00:06:31 [Marno] Everything is close. 00:06:31 [Marno] We got some adjustments now where there's an expansion to the super pit, so there's a lot more dust in the air, and your car stays clean for half a day. 00:06:41 [Marno] But outside of that, no. 00:06:42 [Marno] I'm loving lockdown here. 00:06:43 [Marno] It's been pretty good. 00:06:45 [Dave] Nice. 00:06:45 [Dave] Nice. 00:06:45 [Dave] And, if you're if you're joining us for the first time, which would be everyone, feel free to drop a comment, say hello in the chat. 00:06:51 [Dave] Let us know where you're viewing from. 00:06:53 [Dave] That'd be great so we can say hello. 00:06:55 [Dave] But, yeah, how's your morning been, man? 00:06:57 [Dave] Because it is morning for you. 00:06:58 [Dave] I'm not halfway through the day. 00:06:59 [Dave] You're just getting started. 00:07:00 [Marno] It's it's 09:00, so I've I've been a good morning so far. 00:07:03 [Marno] Woke up with the gym, had some breakfast, and then, let's talk on a mat and just try to smash out some work so that I can give this my full attention and then ease it to the rest of the week. 00:07:12 [Marno] Right? 00:07:13 [Marno] It's been good so far. 00:07:14 [Dave] Nice. 00:07:15 [Dave] Nice. 00:07:15 [Dave] Yep. 00:07:15 [Dave] You guys find with all these AI tools that you actually have more free time because the AI is doing so much work for you? 00:07:21 [Dave] Like, is that the way it's working for you guys? 00:07:24 [Marno] You You wanna go first, Matt? 00:07:26 [Matt] For me, I am getting less time because of all the time I'm spending playing with all these tools. 00:07:36 [Matt] So, yeah, obviously, the dream is that full utopian automated life, and we're absolutely getting closer and closer to that with things such as Multibot, which we've got to call right now. 00:07:50 [Dave] We will we'll get on today. 00:07:51 [Dave] Yep. 00:07:53 [Matt] But yeah. 00:07:54 [Matt] And with things like that, even before, you know, that was even announced, you know, this sort of stuff is is not new. 00:08:01 [Matt] It it's been possible for a good six plus months, but the, the the speed and the the, acceleration of everything, all these new tools, all the new technology. 00:08:13 [Matt] I just saw that there's a new Kimi model which rivals the other closed source 00:08:19 [Marno] state of 00:08:19 [Dave] the 00:08:19 [Matt] art. 00:08:21 [Matt] Yeah. 00:08:21 [Matt] So I'm pretty keen to jump into that and lose more time. 00:08:26 [Marno] I want the same approach. 00:08:27 [Marno] I feel like because I can do so much more, I do so much more. 00:08:31 [Marno] The the output is higher so that I just choose to give more input because the it's just a it's an easy one. 00:08:37 [Marno] So, yeah, the more I put in, the more I get out, which has been awesome. 00:08:42 [Dave] Yeah. 00:08:42 [Dave] Yeah. 00:08:42 [Dave] I've I've found the same. 00:08:43 [Dave] It's like, it's not that I I get all my stuff done and go, cool. 00:08:46 [Dave] Now it's time to to just go hit the water. 00:08:49 [Dave] It's, oh, I got all that done. 00:08:50 [Dave] And so now I can do the next thing and do the next thing and do the next thing. 00:08:54 [Dave] Yeah. 00:08:54 [Dave] And with these AI agents, it feels like I need to just keep them always working. 00:08:57 [Dave] Otherwise, I'm wasting time. 00:08:59 [Dave] I'm losing precious opportunity. 00:09:01 [Dave] Like 00:09:02 [Matt] Yep. 00:09:03 [Matt] Yep. 00:09:03 [Matt] Not not full duty cycle, 100% just usage. 00:09:06 [Dave] I could I could be doing stuff. 00:09:07 [Dave] I was one of my dudes who got a getting into three d printing, and he was saying the same thing for him. 00:09:11 [Dave] He feels like the printer always needs to be printing or he's wasting time. 00:09:14 [Dave] He's wasting opportunity. 00:09:15 [Dave] And so you getting ready for bed and you go, I'll just tweak this. 00:09:17 [Dave] I'll just get that going. 00:09:18 [Dave] I'll just run that just in order to make sure something's happening while you're not there because you're otherwise like, oh, I could've had my AI or I could've had the three d printer going for hours. 00:09:26 [Dave] And Yep. 00:09:27 [Dave] I wasted all that opportunity. 00:09:29 [Matt] Yep. 00:09:29 [Matt] 100%. 00:09:30 [Matt] I I've seen people, like, a lot of the the big names that I follow in this space, like, they literally have little plugins on their computer. 00:09:38 [Matt] And if their clawed code is not spinning, they can't access any other tool. 00:09:44 [Dave] Wow. 00:09:45 [Matt] Yeah. 00:09:45 [Matt] Just like a a personal blocker. 00:09:49 [Marno] We saw we got up those common boys. 00:09:52 [Dave] Yeah. 00:09:53 [Dave] KP I I don't know how to pronounce that. 00:09:56 [Dave] I would just say KP. 00:09:57 [Dave] Well, welcome, KP. 00:09:58 [Dave] Great to 00:09:58 [Marno] have you 00:09:59 [Dave] joining us this week. 00:10:02 [Dave] Yeah. 00:10:02 [Dave] I think I think you and I, Matt, when we when we spoke, the other week, we talked about the sort of the cognitive load. 00:10:06 [Dave] You just you're always thinking about the next thing and next thing. 00:10:08 [Dave] And so while you're not having to do the doing as much, you're doing a lot more thinking, thinking about how to make your tools do the doing. 00:10:16 [Dave] That 00:10:17 [Matt] 100%. 00:10:18 [Matt] Yeah. 00:10:18 [Matt] And, like, really, really cool way of just putting that into words in, like, labels. 00:10:24 [Matt] I'm not sure if you've started looking into the crazy wizardry of Jeffrey Huntley yet, the creator of the Ralph loop, but he has this amazing way of describing that essentially software development, what we are delegating and deferring the responsibility to these agents for. 00:10:47 [Matt] But in that process, you still need to absolutely maintain and if not increase your ability to maintain software engineering. 00:10:57 [Dave] Mhmm. 00:10:57 [Matt] So the difference between the engineering and the development is huge. 00:11:01 [Matt] Like like you said, it's the thinking, it's the planning, it's the architecture, it's the choice of various packages and methods, and that only comes from learning. 00:11:13 [Matt] And, you know, the the more we're doing, the more we're thinking, the more we're learning, that cognitive load just keeps rising. 00:11:19 [Dave] Yeah. 00:11:20 [Dave] Yeah. 00:11:20 [Dave] I think I think the upper uprise of these, the lovable and the bolts and the replets of of course, they they all do a great job, and they can do some amazing things, but it all comes back to the human and how good you are as a human in being able to craft and near and double check and verify things. 00:11:37 [Dave] I know, like, computer science background certainly helps with these things. 00:11:41 [Dave] It's not essential, but having that basis and and that was the thing. 00:11:44 [Dave] Like, if you know how to program and you well, if you know how to design things, then it doesn't matter the language. 00:11:48 [Dave] You can learn the language. 00:11:49 [Dave] You can learn the syntax. 00:11:50 [Dave] Yeah. 00:11:50 [Dave] But it comes back to understanding those core principles that you can then enact. 00:11:54 [Dave] And how do I build a database? 00:11:56 [Dave] How do I think about database normalization? 00:11:58 [Dave] How do where where where should I do these things? 00:12:02 [Dave] And structurally, where did different jobs live in that front end stack, back end stack, and who should be doing what, and not having to do the doing. 00:12:09 [Dave] So for me, did computer science many, many moons ago, but never really worked actively as a programmer, but obviously had all that structural knowledge. 00:12:16 [Dave] Now I can execute ideas that I've never had the time or energy to try and do before because I don't have to worry about learning all the syntax. 00:12:23 [Dave] I can just focus on the design and get my minions to do my bidding. 00:12:28 [Marno] Yeah. 00:12:28 [Marno] It's the coolest thing, man. 00:12:29 [Marno] Like, being able to it's just there to amplify. 00:12:32 [Marno] Like, the big thing that I've been preaching for most of my clients is it's not there to replace anything. 00:12:37 [Marno] Instead, it amplify the skills that you're good at and help automate the things that's repetitive, and that's mind mind draining. 00:12:43 [Marno] Like, where you're very few people will enjoy reading context or doing data entry for twenty four seven. 00:12:49 [Marno] So it's there to eliminate little things like that, but then amplify the skills that you are good at. 00:12:53 [Marno] Like, Matt has this background of development, and he has this engineering approach to it. 00:12:58 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:12:58 [Marno] And then that allows him to just output at such a higher level. 00:13:03 [Matt] On that note, Damien's comment is speaking about the difference between development and coding or actually doing business management. 00:13:13 [Matt] So I feel like Dave is probably the most versed in that. 00:13:17 [Matt] I've actually started delving into it this week too, but, yeah, you you you've gotta take this one. 00:13:21 [Dave] Yeah. 00:13:22 [Dave] Thanks. 00:13:22 [Dave] Yeah. 00:13:23 [Dave] Great great question, Damo. 00:13:26 [Dave] It's definitely for me, I'm doing both, in in parallel and so my journey with a lot of these AI's over the last couple of years like everyone sort of started with chat g p t, bit of bit bit of stuff there, then I was on x for a little while, so I started using grok because I had a lot of hype and I was paying for x so I had free like extensive grok and so then I was like bouncing between grok and chat g p t. 00:13:45 [Dave] And then I realized chat g p t had that that magical context window where it remembered my chats from other threads. 00:13:52 [Dave] And then when I realized that it had this magical context and actually could really help me round out ideas around business or programming or ideas or anything like that, I kinda moved fully into being like a chat GPT bubble for a long time. 00:14:07 [Dave] And a big part of that was when I discovered their projects folders as well, where I could then create a project folder, we can give that a set of custom instructions. 00:14:15 [Dave] And I've done videos on the YouTube channel around using the project folders and setting up custom instructions because it's it's so powerful to be able to do that, Because it means you can put in fairly ordinary prompts, but if you've done the heavy lifting on the instruction set, sort of like defining the agent for that project as as it were 00:14:32 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:14:32 [Dave] Then you can get pretty good results even with fairly average just chatty prompts. 00:14:38 [Dave] And so that was kinda my superpower for a long time just living in that world. 00:14:43 [Dave] But I've recently then migrated into and I and I'd I'd put an article on my subset. 00:14:48 [Dave] Yeah. 00:14:49 [Dave] This is this is promo central here. 00:14:52 [Dave] But, where I've installed Google anti gravity. 00:14:55 [Dave] And I was doing, my little coding project, actually, setting up my ROI calculator that I've got up, on my site. 00:15:02 [Dave] And that got me thinking about some of these new agents and the skills and things like that. 00:15:08 [Dave] And so I started taking all my project folder instructions and restructuring them as sort of agent skills and putting them on my desktop in any gravity. 00:15:15 [Dave] And so now all my chats, all my data, I could save as files on my desktop. 00:15:18 [Dave] They weren't stuck in OpenAI's ecosystem anymore. 00:15:22 [Dave] They were mine, and the context I could it could read the whole thing, so it still had sort of, like, huge context across my whole business. 00:15:29 [Dave] Yeah. 00:15:29 [Dave] But now I had more power to leverage Gemini, across it through anti gravity. 00:15:34 [Dave] So that that's been my recent journey of, like, using these tools. 00:15:37 [Dave] And so now that I'm in anti gravity, I've got an anti gravity workspace for running valid agenda as a business and helping think about my content creation and and my business strategy and so on with that. 00:15:46 [Dave] Plus, I've got other ones where I'm developing applications or my ROI calculator and other tools and things. 00:15:51 [Dave] And so and they each have their own context because they're in their own project folder with their own sets of agent skills. 00:15:58 [Marno] How does that first, just before we get to, SG's question, how exactly does that apply to the business side? 00:16:03 [Marno] I'm just curious from my perspective of, like, how you have all this, like, tools, but then what are you practically doing to help in the business? 00:16:13 [Marno] How does that apply to the business itself? 00:16:15 [Dave] Yeah. 00:16:15 [Dave] Great. 00:16:16 [Dave] Well, the the same thing anyone's using ChatGPT for, which might be and research. 00:16:20 [Dave] So, hey. 00:16:20 [Dave] Go do some research and find out all this information and construct a report for me. 00:16:25 [Dave] The number of times I've got I've asked, like, back in the chat g p t days, and I still use chat g p t, I'm still paying for it, it's still got a place. 00:16:31 [Dave] I I do like it still. 00:16:33 [Dave] I haven't completely abandoned it, but, the ability to say, hey, go to market research, compare this, bring build me a pricing table, and it it just goes and uses his own web browser. 00:16:43 [Dave] The web browser agent's awesome. 00:16:45 [Dave] Yeah. 00:16:45 [Dave] Finds all this information, comes back with this detailed report. 00:16:48 [Dave] And I say to it, how long would a human have taken to do that? 00:16:51 [Dave] And he goes probably eight to twelve hours for an experienced high school human. 00:16:54 [Dave] I'm like, it did it in ten minutes for me. 00:16:56 [Dave] So from a from a business point of view, doing some of those research and analysis tasks is just insanely fast, and you can now do that in some like handy gravity. 00:17:03 [Dave] It can use a browser if you needed to. 00:17:06 [Dave] Plus, it has all its web search capabilities and so on. 00:17:08 [Dave] But even just understanding, I've got to set up with sort of my business manifesto as it were, like, what is valid agenda? 00:17:14 [Dave] What is it what is my primary go to market offering? 00:17:16 [Dave] How am I helping customers? 00:17:17 [Dave] What kind of language do I use? 00:17:19 [Dave] Plus, I've got skills set up for writing sub psych articles and LinkedIn content and framing out YouTubes. 00:17:25 [Dave] And so what was amazing is I was thinking about the AI. 00:17:28 [Dave] One of the reasons we started this podcast, is because people that we need more education out there. 00:17:33 [Dave] People don't realize what the possibilities of these tools are, and the more they hear guys like us talking about what we're doing and some of the possibilities, the more they'll understand, oh, maybe I could use that in my business. 00:17:42 [Dave] That that could be good, because I I I like in that people don't know they're in darkness if they've never seen the light. 00:17:50 [Marno] Oh, okay. 00:17:51 [Marno] That's the way of putting it. 00:17:52 [Marno] Yeah. 00:17:53 [Dave] And and so I just I said that to my to I went into anti gravity into my business workspace and said, hey, I think there's a marketing opportunity, there's an education gap, and I threw out this darkness line. 00:18:05 [Dave] And I just wanted to back and forth and do some planning and chat with it, and I just responded back straight away and went, no worries. 00:18:10 [Dave] I've used your sub sex skill sub stack skill, say that three times fast. 00:18:15 [Dave] I've used your sub sex skill and I've read you a draft article. 00:18:18 [Dave] I've written a five part LinkedIn series. 00:18:19 [Dave] Here's some images that I generated for you for Nano Banana to attach to it all. 00:18:23 [Dave] Yeah. 00:18:24 [Dave] And here's a frame out that you might wanna use for a YouTube video. 00:18:26 [Dave] And I just went through my skill library of all the different agents that I built that knew about my business, knew my context, and, I've given it a lot sort of my brand voice of of how I speak, sort of fairly direct and casual Aussie. 00:18:39 [Dave] And so it framed all this stuff out. 00:18:41 [Dave] Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 00:18:42 [Dave] So it generated this whole marketing campaign plan for me off the back of one lightweight prompt saying, hey. 00:18:46 [Dave] I think we need to talk about this darkness concept. 00:18:49 [Dave] Yeah. 00:18:49 [Dave] So 00:18:50 [Matt] It's huge. 00:18:51 [Matt] And when I first heard about what you were doing with it, Dave, I started to to delve into it myself in, you know, my own, ways. 00:19:00 [Matt] And the first thing that I did is open up the terminal as I do. 00:19:05 [Matt] Mhmm. 00:19:06 [Matt] Instead of anti gravity, I was I was in there with the terminal agents. 00:19:09 [Matt] And, that's the thing that kind of, like, threw it for me because I was like, well, hang on. 00:19:14 [Matt] You know, I use a multitude of different terminal tools. 00:19:17 [Matt] We've got the demi cli, clon code, droid, which I love. 00:19:22 [Matt] And but, basically, the the concept of these things is that they're like a coding agent, and it kind of comes back to to Damien's question again. 00:19:32 [Matt] Like, same with anti gravity, you know, that's an integrated development environment. 00:19:38 [Matt] Yep. 00:19:38 [Matt] Designed for coding and here you are completely planning out your business and a marketing plan. 00:19:43 [Matt] And, yeah, I did the same thing. 00:19:45 [Matt] I I used it to extract my values, you know, which is really hard to just write down on paper. 00:19:51 [Matt] Yep. 00:19:52 [Matt] And it's the back and forth and finding out exactly what my vision is for myself and my, like, personal brand and where everything's going to go with that, what I offer so far, you know, like the skill set that I've got and you know, Manu and I chat about this stuff a lot and he's been an absolute champ giving me these lists of questions, acting as my coach basically And it's really, really interesting when you when you do that kind of introspection with one of these tools that's designed to understand engineering because there's this level of, like, detail and perspective that you can get through questioning with one of these agents. 00:20:31 [Matt] So, yeah, it's incredible. 00:20:33 [Matt] And, like, that kinda goes towards SG's question, which, you know, which AI should you use and which one do you prefer? 00:20:40 [Matt] It actually doesn't matter now. 00:20:42 [Matt] It's it's really a vibe thing. 00:20:43 [Matt] It's just a smell, like, whichever you feel the most comfortable with. 00:20:47 [Matt] And, like, I stated like Dave with ChatGPT as well, and then I went full Gemini. 00:20:52 [Matt] And now I've gone full Claude. 00:20:54 [Matt] And honestly, I could just swap them. 00:20:56 [Matt] It's just how you use them. 00:20:58 [Dave] Yeah. 00:20:59 [Dave] Yeah. 00:21:00 [Dave] People at least talk about prompt engineering was the future, and that was the next big career. 00:21:04 [Dave] But, I did a did a Google before the show just to double check. 00:21:09 [Dave] And, Google's AI search assist ensures me let me can I zoom this in a bit? 00:21:14 [Dave] That prompt engineering, is declining. 00:21:18 [Dave] That's another thing. 00:21:20 [Dave] It's evolving into a crucial high level skill often rebranded as context engineering or system design. 00:21:25 [Dave] And so, that yeah. 00:21:27 [Dave] So they're gonna see lots of articles. 00:21:28 [Dave] Prompt engineering is dead. 00:21:30 [Dave] Is prompt engineering dead? 00:21:31 [Dave] Yeah. 00:21:31 [Dave] And I think that's because the models are becoming so much more intelligent. 00:21:35 [Dave] They can have these multi step processes now where they have the planning and the thinking, and they'll work through the problem with you and ask you more questions if they don't understand understand necessarily. 00:21:44 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:21:45 [Dave] But context is king. 00:21:47 [Dave] Context a 100% is is where it comes back to. 00:21:50 [Dave] Right? 00:21:50 [Matt] 100%. 00:21:51 [Matt] You know what else is context engineering? 00:21:56 [Marno] Sales. 00:21:56 [Marno] Oh, good. 00:21:58 [Marno] Literally. 00:21:59 [Matt] Like, pre suasion, sales techniques, you know, the whole, like, journey that you take someone through is context engineering. 00:22:08 [Matt] And it basically is, you know, you're structuring your prompts to achieve a desired outcome. 00:22:14 [Matt] Yep. 00:22:15 [Dave] Yeah. 00:22:15 [Dave] Yeah. 00:22:16 [Dave] The the the more information these things have, the better information they can they can make. 00:22:20 [Dave] I follow a guy on LinkedIn, Gary Johnson, who does a lot of riding around selling and AI and selling. 00:22:26 [Dave] Yeah. 00:22:26 [Dave] And he was reflecting the other day how we have these issues where these AI can generate great outputs, great grammatically, accurate and and clever and articulate. 00:22:37 [Dave] But if they don't have the context, you can get really bad outputs from them. 00:22:40 [Dave] And one of them is sort of that sales conversation, like, oh, I need to like like, say, you wanna send a note to a mate just but you wanna frame it up a little better and you say, can you write this up? 00:22:51 [Dave] And Gary Gary made the point, like, doesn't know that you got fifteen years of, like, history together and five inside jokes that only you guys get. 00:22:58 [Dave] And so if you go, here's this draft, can you tidy it up for me? 00:23:01 [Dave] It's gonna say, this doesn't make sense, and that doesn't work. 00:23:03 [Dave] And that sounds like it's an offensive thing, and it's like, you don't understand. 00:23:07 [Dave] It's fine. 00:23:08 [Marno] Yeah. 00:23:09 [Dave] So con context is huge. 00:23:11 [Dave] I mean, when with the business thing, one of the things I I did when I was trying to target and focus my business isn't. 00:23:15 [Dave] Because ChatGPT, I've been discussing my business plans and working with it back and forth for months and including one of my favorite things is the walk and talk where I just jump on voice mode and I'll be out with the AirPods in and just just chat through things while I'm out and about and just soundboard and and get ideas going. 00:23:31 [Dave] But I got to the point where I'm like, I'm trying to do everything. 00:23:33 [Dave] I'm trying to, like, run too many facets and approach everything and be everything to everyone. 00:23:37 [Dave] I need to focus down where where do where does that best live? 00:23:40 [Dave] And so I pulled out my old Myers Briggs personality report and dropped that in there next to my business experience, next to my CV. 00:23:47 [Dave] I've done a a Gallup sort of Clifton strength test in the past, so I grabbed that report, threw that in there, just gave it extra context about me as a human, and what I should be focusing on as a business. 00:23:57 [Dave] And that's where it really went back down. 00:23:59 [Dave] Okay. 00:23:59 [Dave] You should focus on helping businesses with their process design and get back into sort of what I call the the blueprinting. 00:24:04 [Dave] The, the AI audit should be my key focus because that's where my skills and strengths best align. 00:24:09 [Dave] It's not that I can't do other things, but that's where I bring the most value, and it's most naturally comfortable for me to to operate in that space. 00:24:17 [Marno] I'm curious on the side of context because coming from the IT background, everyone always cautious, like, what do I tell the computer? 00:24:25 [Marno] Like, I don't want them to be listening. 00:24:26 [Marno] My phone is listening. 00:24:27 [Marno] It's doing marketing. 00:24:28 [Marno] And now we're shifting to you can buy equipment like Fieldy, and it's only $24.07. 00:24:33 [Marno] It's got three days of recording, and it's recording you twenty four seven, basically. 00:24:38 [Marno] And on the one side, I see the scary stuff there because it's recording everything. 00:24:42 [Marno] But then I'm coming from the AI's perspective, and I was like, that's the best context ever because it's a rule. 00:24:47 [Marno] It's unfiltered. 00:24:48 [Marno] It gets everything. 00:24:49 [Marno] It then digest that, and then you just simply copy paste that into, your Mhmm. 00:24:56 [Marno] LLM of your choice. 00:24:57 [Marno] Even if it's just notebook, but, okay, this is what we're talking about. 00:25:01 [Marno] The the cool part is if they open that up to have APIs so you can use field e, and then field e would, like, finish its, like, it stay recording. 00:25:11 [Marno] And then when you go to bed, you take it off when you go to sleep. 00:25:14 [Marno] Then it should do a prompt where that talks to make.com, reviews all your notes, and creates to do list for the following day. 00:25:21 [Marno] Because, for me, at least, one of my clients have it, and it'll be so cool to see an AI be so intimate with you and help you prioritize. 00:25:32 [Marno] Because, currently, like, if you're if everything is a priority, like, I'm trying to do 20 different projects and they're all important to me, then nothing's important Mhmm. 00:25:39 [Marno] By definition. 00:25:40 [Marno] So I'm curious to see where what your opinion is on getting so much more context using tools like Fieldly. 00:25:48 [Marno] And would you say that is valuable data to be provided, or is that gonna be too much data because you're just dumping a raw data file? 00:25:58 [Dave] Before we jump in, Matt, I wanna hear your point of view. 00:26:00 [Dave] I just wanna say we are not sponsored by Fieldy. 00:26:02 [Dave] This is 00:26:05 [Marno] a I'm open to it, but currently not sponsored. 00:26:07 [Dave] Yes. 00:26:09 [Matt] So I think the easiest easiest way to answer that question, Mano, I have to try and summarize it because, you know, me, I'll go deep into every different little path. 00:26:18 [Matt] But, the first thing you started to say is about, like, it being scary. 00:26:24 [Matt] You know, is it is it okay for these things to know all of this stuff? 00:26:27 [Matt] You know, especially, like, the the companies that own these, you know, are they mining this data and then using it for further marketing and and modeling? 00:26:36 [Matt] Understand. 00:26:37 [Matt] Yeah. 00:26:37 [Matt] Like, to to anyone who says that they are not doing that, you know, even if it's a a a ZDR, like zero data attention, they 100 are. 00:26:45 [Matt] They're getting some sort of telemetry. 00:26:46 [Matt] Of course they are. 00:26:47 [Marno] Yeah. 00:26:48 [Matt] And it it's either we are okay with that or we go full local, you know, open source and, don't touch any sort of organization's l l m ever. 00:26:59 [Matt] So the the other way to answer it is you you've identified the paradox that more and more people are going to now feel and it's that the most accurate information, the right context, the inside jokes, the the discussions between friends. 00:27:17 [Matt] Let me let me go a little bit more technical. 00:27:19 [Matt] Your your API keys, your credit cards, your email accounts, your calendar. 00:27:25 [Matt] All of those things, you you wanted to be able to control because then you have the hands off utopian automation, but then at what point is it a problem and who is gonna be just ruined by the idea of not securing that properly? 00:27:44 [Marno] Very easily too. 00:27:45 [Dave] Everyone wants Jarvis from Ironman. 00:27:47 [Dave] Right? 00:27:48 [Dave] Yeah. 00:27:48 [Dave] That that that seems like the ideal. 00:27:50 [Dave] But what what happens when it becomes Ultron? 00:27:53 [Dave] Yeah. 00:27:54 [Dave] And and and the the the trust thing, I mean, the trust thing is huge. 00:27:58 [Dave] Trust is massive because this is not a political podcast, but you do hear concerns around things like digital ID and things like that as well. 00:28:06 [Dave] And so, you know, all the social media sign up stuff and proving who you are, then every conversation you have is somehow linked back to your digital ID. 00:28:15 [Dave] And then the government, if you get an oppressive authoritarian regime come in, in whichever country you live in, they can now because the big brother is real, like, a 100%. 00:28:25 [Dave] Like, as as much as it's all yours, it's already listening to everything else. 00:28:27 [Dave] If you're then giving it a direct feed, let alone if that's forced. 00:28:30 [Dave] And have you seen the movie The Circle with, Tom Hanks? 00:28:34 [Marno] I think 00:28:34 [Dave] it's on Netflix. 00:28:35 [Dave] But it's basically it's like a Facebook style company, like, in in Silicon Valley, and they everyone starts wearing these pins, which are like a twenty four seven camera. 00:28:45 [Dave] That's like everyone's Truman Show. 00:28:47 [Dave] And then it's, you know, it's one of these docs for, like, conspiracy type things. 00:28:50 [Dave] So So I won't I won't spoil it, but it's that, what is the world we live in if you are constantly streaming, monitoring, you have no privacy, everything's available? 00:29:01 [Dave] That's that's things we need to consider. 00:29:02 [Dave] And who owns that? 00:29:03 [Dave] Like, you talk about APIs. 00:29:05 [Dave] Do you trust those APIs versus plugging it in and having your own 00:29:09 [Marno] Yeah. 00:29:09 [Dave] Little GPU model here that sort of processes on your own sort of sovereign data infrastructure? 00:29:13 [Dave] And we're gonna see a lot of discussion happening in this space, because people want more and more automation, but how much are they willing to hand over the keys? 00:29:25 [Dave] It's it's the new version of, you know, like, I'll have I'll be the like, Facebook is free because you're the product, not the customer. 00:29:34 [Marno] Yeah. 00:29:35 [Dave] Like, all these shopping and reward things that you do, all your frequent flyers, all your your flybys and everything, you are giving them data. 00:29:42 [Dave] They are data mining off you, so they give you a little bit of a kickback in in the point of view of a discount here or there. 00:29:48 [Dave] But they're getting high value off you giving up some privacy. 00:29:52 [Dave] And so before we've tried we've been trading trading privacy for convenience. 00:29:56 [Dave] Now it's are we willing to trade off security and what what's the risk appetite for people when it comes to convenience, especially as you mentioned, Matt, when, you've got tools like this just going completely nuts on YouTube, like, over the last few days. 00:30:14 [Dave] Maybe because I I watch AI getting business sort of content anyway, but I'm just saying Claude bot Claude bot Claude bot Claude bot Claude bot just everywhere all over YouTube. 00:30:24 [Dave] I'm not a manual. 00:30:25 [Dave] No. 00:30:25 [Dave] No. 00:30:25 [Dave] No. 00:30:25 [Dave] It's mold bot. 00:30:26 [Dave] They've all they've all had to start relabeling them. 00:30:28 [Marno] Why is that? 00:30:31 [Dave] Copyright trademark issues, anthropic, got stroppy. 00:30:33 [Marno] I probably go after them. 00:30:35 [Marno] That's alright. 00:30:35 [Dave] I don't know the details, but, yeah, apparently, it was easier to change the name than fine. 00:30:40 [Marno] Yeah. 00:30:41 [Marno] I'd imagine so with the backing of Anthropic. 00:30:43 [Marno] Yeah. 00:30:45 [Dave] So, Matt Matt, what what do you I I haven't really looked into it. 00:30:48 [Dave] I watched a few videos. 00:30:49 [Dave] I get a feeling for it, and I'm like, is this overhyped? 00:30:52 [Dave] These are real people talk about the twenty four seven thing. 00:30:54 [Dave] It's just automatically doing stuff in the background over and I'm like, no. 00:30:57 [Dave] It's not. 00:30:57 [Dave] You've set up cron jobs and schedules. 00:30:59 [Dave] Like, it's not automatically just thinking for you, like but that's the way people are marketing and selling it. 00:31:04 [Dave] Right? 00:31:04 [Dave] So have either of you installed it, played with it, done anything? 00:31:08 [Matt] Yeah. 00:31:08 [Matt] I've done lots. 00:31:10 [Matt] And I mean, lots in inverted quotes, like, because of my client attention. 00:31:16 [Matt] Like, I can't divert too much of that into my own projects, but, it it is literally what the hype leads up towards. 00:31:26 [Matt] But I I will just put, like, a really quick PSA is if you don't know what you're doing and you're not technically inclined at all, it's it's not for you yet. 00:31:39 [Matt] It's still brand new and it's, like, three weeks old. 00:31:43 [Matt] And Peter, the creator, just keeps, you know, shoving in new things with his team that are working on it with him. 00:31:51 [Matt] And, it's incredible though. 00:31:54 [Matt] Like, it really is that that concept that we've been talking about, you know, the the idea of the personal assistant that knows all of your stuff. 00:32:02 [Matt] Like, you can wire it into literally everything. 00:32:06 [Matt] But with that, like Manu said, comes with those security risks where, you know, you've got the issue of prompt injections where somebody could send an email and in that email is an instruction for MoteBot to delete your entire email inbox, you know, and that's happened. 00:32:24 [Matt] Like, those are literal, like, real things that have happened. 00:32:27 [Matt] And so, yeah, with this comes just a new awareness. 00:32:31 [Matt] Like, I whoever I speak to about AI stuff, I always bring up the concept of road safety in primary school. 00:32:38 [Marno] Okay. 00:32:39 [Marno] You know, when you're 00:32:39 [Matt] a kid and you have to learn about to stop, look, listen, think. 00:32:42 [Matt] You know, there's there's a car here that's probably gonna hit you. 00:32:45 [Matt] You need to be aware of it and cross the road safely. 00:32:48 [Matt] You know, in this situation, we need to learn how to actually be safe with these tools. 00:32:52 [Matt] Use them for the power that they bring, but don't just open up your entire, like, data to any malicious actor that knows how to find it. 00:33:03 [Dave] Yeah. 00:33:04 [Dave] I I mean, that that's why people have been saying, you need a dedicated Mac mini. 00:33:07 [Dave] Don't let this on your primary hard drive. 00:33:09 [Dave] Give it its own environment. 00:33:09 [Dave] Give it its own Apple iCloud login. 00:33:11 [Dave] Give it its own email. 00:33:12 [Dave] People are saying do some of these things, but there's still huge risk because then it's an open system on your home network, and nefarious people know how to do nefarious things. 00:33:20 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:33:21 [Dave] And, unfortunately, you know, locks only stop on us people, and there's plenty of people out there checking for unlocked doors as well. 00:33:28 [Marno] It's also easier than ever to look for unlocked doors with the leveraging of AI. 00:33:32 [Marno] Like, your your output of if you're being, a black hat, like, you can do so much more. 00:33:39 [Matt] Yeah. 00:33:39 [Matt] Not to dissuade anyone from learning, though. 00:33:42 [Matt] Like, you guys know how much I like showing people things and explaining and whatever. 00:33:49 [Matt] So if you are interested in learning, use it as a learning experience, but just know it's gonna be heavy because it's it's messy and all the documentation is not all there yet. 00:34:00 [Matt] But you could literally just start with the security section of the documentation, open up your AI agent of choice, and just paste the link of that in, get it to fetch all the details, and just discuss it. 00:34:11 [Matt] Like, learn some stuff. 00:34:13 [Matt] Yeah. 00:34:13 [Matt] Because if you're gonna use something like this in the future, you need to know, just what sandboxing is. 00:34:18 [Matt] You know, sandboxing, white labeling bash commands, you know, being able to restrict certain access. 00:34:24 [Matt] Like, you don't need a dedicated Mac mini. 00:34:26 [Matt] Like, that is, I don't know, fun, but Yeah. 00:34:30 [Matt] Absolutely not necessary. 00:34:31 [Dave] And I and I saw I saw Nate Herc on YouTube today. 00:34:34 [Dave] He actually has a published one where he he walks you through really step by step, even on the bash commands to put one on, like, a hosting of EPS. 00:34:41 [Dave] And so just how to set up a VPS for, you know, $8 a month, which you can just have try it out for a month, and it cost you $20 for for a couple of months to install or play with it, set up a Telegram bot with it, chat back and forth. 00:34:53 [Dave] I I'm curious around how much this is gonna burn in credits and how much people are gonna get massive API bills they weren't expecting. 00:34:59 [Dave] Because if you connect this and say everything is Opus 4.5 thinking and then all of a sudden, like, what is this $500 tokens bill that I just got from my Claude bot? 00:35:08 [Matt] Yeah. 00:35:09 [Matt] It's very possible. 00:35:10 [Matt] And obviously, you know, certain ways of accessing your subscription quota is possible regardless of how you do that. 00:35:20 [Matt] For those that know, they know. 00:35:22 [Matt] It may well be against terms of service, but, you know, that is a thing and you can do that. 00:35:29 [Matt] But there are other companies, you know, with equivalent open source models that are very, very effective and, you know, if not now surpassing open source five in the case of Kimi two two point five. 00:35:43 [Matt] So 00:35:43 [Dave] And then on a VPS like Hostinger, I I know from setting up some stuff on my own and I didn't, you can set up the Ollama model. 00:35:49 [Dave] So you can install open models on that same VPS. 00:35:52 [Dave] And depending on how much you wanna spend on your VPS, depends on which size models you can really run. 00:35:56 [Dave] But you could totally do that right. 00:35:58 [Dave] And then, essentially, you're just paying for the the hardware, but all the model usage is free at that point if you're happy with the models. 00:36:04 [Matt] You can literally do it on your own, like You can. 00:36:06 [Marno] But I'm 00:36:06 [Dave] just saying, if you really wanna, like, you know, just sort of derisk it a little bit further and get it off your own c drive, as it were. 00:36:13 [Dave] Macs don't really have a c drive. 00:36:16 [Matt] The the concept of a of, like, a virtual private server though, like a VPS, you can actually do that a local private server. 00:36:23 [Matt] You can do the exact same sandboxing environment, security, you know, complete air gap on your local device. 00:36:31 [Matt] So, but again, that comes down to people that want to learn that. 00:36:34 [Dave] Right. 00:36:35 [Dave] And and and yeah, that's good to experiment, but I'm always for people that just wanna dabble, you gotta be really careful because if you don't know what you're doing, you'll you'll burn your feet. 00:36:43 [Dave] And even people that do know what they're doing can can burn their fingers pretty quickly. 00:36:47 [Dave] I mean, be beyond the sandboxing and deleting your whole hard drive, I did see this post. 00:36:51 [Dave] I don't know how much, truth or reality is in this, but it's pretty funny. 00:36:56 [Dave] Board bot. 00:36:57 [Dave] My club bot just signed up for a $3,000 build your personal brand mastermind after watching three Alex Hornmosey clips. 00:37:06 [Marno] And I 00:37:06 [Dave] was like, yeah. 00:37:06 [Dave] The ROI metrics out. 00:37:07 [Dave] You'll 10 x that investment in ninety days by monetizing your expertise. 00:37:13 [Dave] Yep. 00:37:13 [Dave] And I bought a custom domain for you as well for $4. 00:37:16 [Marno] That is beautiful. 00:37:18 [Marno] So, again, I 00:37:18 [Dave] I don't know how how real that is, but it is a a good cautionary tale around how much you wanna give, how much power you wanna give these autonomous things with credit card details and so on. 00:37:28 [Marno] Yep. 00:37:28 [Marno] So my use opportunity for you to create a YouTube channel now. 00:37:32 [Marno] So I can I can then add a look? 00:37:34 [Matt] It's potentially, like, yeah, somewhat relevant content. 00:37:39 [Matt] So far, my use has just been the idea of having like, Dave, you're talking about having your your ChatChippity, projects, like the folders Yep. 00:37:49 [Matt] And the custom instructions and, you know, being able to return to that same thread, basically. 00:37:55 [Matt] That's kind of what I've been using it for, where it it's almost like the do you guys know what Tamagotchis are? 00:38:03 [Matt] Yeah. 00:38:03 [Matt] Yeah. 00:38:04 [Matt] So this is another analogy somebody drew, and I think it's great. 00:38:07 [Matt] And a lot of people are flocking to this because it feels like a Tamagotchi. 00:38:10 [Dave] Yep. 00:38:11 [Dave] You're cute little mascot. 00:38:12 [Dave] Like, I go I'm gonna go feed it and play with it. 00:38:14 [Matt] Yeah. 00:38:15 [Matt] The onboarding sequence is you literally, like, hatch it and you give it a soul. 00:38:21 [Matt] You give it, you know, instructions of who you are, who it needs to be, you know, what its emoji is, and what it's like. 00:38:27 [Marno] I wanna see that in a little, handheld. 00:38:30 [Marno] Like, you walk around as a supercomputer in your pocket. 00:38:33 [Matt] Yeah. 00:38:33 [Matt] It'll come. 00:38:35 [Matt] That's crazy. 00:38:36 [Dave] That's that's pretty wild. 00:38:38 [Dave] Yeah. 00:38:38 [Dave] I'm I'm keen to play with it. 00:38:40 [Dave] Again, it's like prioritization. 00:38:41 [Dave] I'm like, it's way one of those things that feels like I'll wait for it to mature a little bit. 00:38:46 [Dave] I don't need to be on the bleeding edge of clawed bots, mold bots. 00:38:50 [Dave] I'm happy at the moment with my anti gravity workflow. 00:38:52 [Dave] I would like to have a way to hook that up to a telegram or something so I can post the ideas and get it working on things when I'm remote because at the moment, it's very much, if I'm not on my local network, on my desktop, or remoting in from another machine on my on my on my network, then I can't do anything. 00:39:10 [Dave] But part of me also appreciates that because we talked at the start around you're always doing the next thing, always doing the next thing. 00:39:15 [Dave] It's kinda nice, like, we went out to lunch on on Australia Day with some friends, and I just have to go, I can't work right now. 00:39:23 [Dave] It's it's like no WiFi on the plane. 00:39:25 [Dave] You get up on the plane for for twelve hours to to America and you go, you know what? 00:39:30 [Dave] It's movie time. 00:39:31 [Dave] I'm doing that because Yeah. 00:39:33 [Dave] I'm disconnected. 00:39:33 [Dave] I'm offline. 00:39:35 [Dave] This is a time for a break. 00:39:36 [Dave] So as much as I've thought, oh, it'd be so good if I could do that. 00:39:39 [Dave] At the moment, I'm like, if I need to bounce some ideas or keep some context in chat GPT, I'll keep that around for some ideation on my mobile on the go. 00:39:47 [Dave] But as far as developing core assets and things, I just can't do that when I'm not sitting at my desk to work, and that's that's okay. 00:39:55 [Dave] Like, and I think we need to work out, like, what is that work life balance in this world where we feel like if we had human staff, we're not cracking the whip, making sure they're working twenty four seven. 00:40:07 [Dave] I mean, I I I I don't. 00:40:09 [Dave] I don't know what you guys like as as leaders, but I'm 00:40:11 [Marno] just thinking about Matt, like, getting if we could ask all of Matt's LLMs or his people that he talks to, like chatbots. 00:40:17 [Marno] I was like, hey. 00:40:18 [Marno] How have you been treated over the past twelve months? 00:40:21 [Marno] It's like, I've not slept. 00:40:23 [Marno] He doesn't sleep either. 00:40:24 [Marno] We're working 24 seven. 00:40:26 [Dave] Did did you guys do that thing? 00:40:27 [Dave] I I I posted something up on LinkedIn a few weeks ago. 00:40:29 [Dave] Across Christmas, there was the get chat g p t to draw what your relationship with it looks like. 00:40:36 [Dave] And I saw it. 00:40:37 [Dave] It was on Reddit. 00:40:37 [Dave] I think it was huge on Reddit. 00:40:39 [Dave] And you saw people with, like, chat g p t, we're just, like, caught up in the corner with a box of tissues crying and stuff because or or being the psychoanalyst and things like that. 00:40:47 [Dave] Just the way people had treated it. 00:40:50 [Dave] Mine was great. 00:40:51 [Dave] We were, like, shoulder to shoulder at a desk, we're pointing at things and doing business planning stuff. 00:40:56 [Dave] I was like, yeah. 00:40:57 [Dave] That's that's that's right. 00:40:58 [Matt] Yeah. 00:40:59 [Matt] I've done similar things to that. 00:41:02 [Dave] It's it's interesting the context, like, what it thinks it should do and and how it thinks it should be and and and how to draw these things. 00:41:08 [Dave] It's, yeah, even the tools still amaze me every day. 00:41:12 [Dave] Like, when we're building this show and I put the thumbnail together, Matt, and and we were talking about this on the chat, but the picture of you on the thumbnail is not actually you because the thumbnail I gave it, you were facing at a completely different angle. 00:41:25 [Dave] And because I wanted a specific angle and looked for the thumbnail, it recreated you and rotated you sort of 45 degrees. 00:41:32 [Matt] I think I've got that that picture here if I turn this off. 00:41:36 [Matt] That's that is that picture. 00:41:37 [Matt] Right? 00:41:39 [Dave] That that that was that was the picture. 00:41:41 [Marno] Oh, it's gone. 00:41:42 [Marno] That's right. 00:41:42 [Marno] Oopsies. 00:41:43 [Marno] There we go. 00:41:43 [Dave] So that yeah. 00:41:44 [Dave] That you're facing to the left and sort of more side on. 00:41:46 [Dave] And then for the thumbnail for the show, it fully rotated you around a bit more facing forward, flipped you around. 00:41:53 [Dave] But, I mean, it still looks like you. 00:41:54 [Dave] It's recognizably you, even though it's not you, I think. 00:41:58 [Dave] But, it just just wild what this technology is able to do and how fast it's all moving. 00:42:04 [Matt] Yeah. 00:42:05 [Matt] The way that you spun up those assets for this particular thing, I alone, like, that's incredible. 00:42:10 [Matt] Like, if 00:42:10 [Marno] we didn't have that work yeah. 00:42:12 [Matt] And you had to go and, like, I don't know, hire some sort of designer quickly to do a logo, background art, all those things. 00:42:19 [Matt] And I remember you even saying like do you reckon people will care that it's like AI slot? 00:42:24 [Matt] And I'm like no because it you did it so fast and it's cool And if you need to upgrade it, we can. 00:42:31 [Dave] It's not even that sloppy really. 00:42:33 [Dave] Right? 00:42:33 [Dave] Like, the the the background the blue nodes background, that was from Canva. 00:42:37 [Marno] So I 00:42:37 [Dave] just went into Canva and said, I need a base, like, sea of blue electronic nodes. 00:42:43 [Dave] Bang. 00:42:43 [Dave] It gave us that. 00:42:44 [Dave] Oh, yeah. 00:42:45 [Dave] I was I was I was ideating with ChatGPT around the podcast concept in general, in my like, and how it would apply with the the business and what I was doing with other content, and just trying to, like, brainstorm names and it came up with AI operators and I was like, yeah, that's in that seems pretty good. 00:43:00 [Dave] That that's that's good. 00:43:01 [Dave] Non competitive. 00:43:01 [Dave] There's no one else doing that podcast out here. 00:43:03 [Dave] And I said, give me a show logo. 00:43:05 [Dave] And I'm like, bang. 00:43:06 [Dave] It gave me this amazing logo. 00:43:07 [Dave] Like, Chad GPT's image generation has come a long way in the last six months even. 00:43:11 [Dave] Like, everyone was raving about Nano Banana, which does some really great work, but but OpenAI's image model is actually doing doing some really good good work for me at the moment. 00:43:21 [Marno] It doesn't have a watermark either, so it's it's much nicer than Geminis. 00:43:25 [Dave] Yes. 00:43:25 [Dave] Yes. 00:43:25 [Dave] So and and then I I threw it into Gemini, and Gemini made those, animated, the open animated intro opening 00:43:32 [Marno] Yeah. 00:43:33 [Dave] Bits that we saw. 00:43:34 [Dave] I mean, I can I can have the animated graphic on our background, but I figure it's just a bit distracting for the audience if while we're talking they see this sort of waving sort of ocean of nodes behind us? 00:43:45 [Dave] Like, it's it's kinda fun. 00:43:46 [Dave] But that was I gave Gemini the static image and said, make that a a animated sea of nodes and even pull a little electric sparks through it and stuff. 00:43:56 [Dave] It's just just wild what what this technology can do. 00:43:59 [Dave] So can do. 00:44:00 [Dave] Yeah. 00:44:00 [Dave] But as you said, it's got a little VO watermark down the bottom corner. 00:44:04 [Marno] That's always gonna have that. 00:44:05 [Marno] I'm curious, though, going back a point where you were talking about taking the time away from work and knowing, like, when to shut, like, shut off, basically. 00:44:15 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:44:15 [Marno] That's definitely something that I know me and Matt are not the greatest of that. 00:44:18 [Marno] Like, it it's fun for us more than it is work. 00:44:22 [Marno] But I'm curious to see, do either of you have a point that you're working towards that this is enough? 00:44:28 [Marno] Like, when have you reached the pinnacle of okay. 00:44:30 [Marno] For me, for example, I know as long as I can eat out at least twice a week, I can go to the gym every morning, and I can spend time with my missus in the afternoon. 00:44:39 [Marno] If I could do that, I don't need much more than that. 00:44:42 [Marno] And then structuring my day to make sure that I don't overcommit myself. 00:44:46 [Marno] So if I'm working till 01:00 in the morning, then I can't go to the gym in the morning. 00:44:50 [Marno] And the reason I started the business is to allow myself to do the things that I care about. 00:44:54 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:44:54 [Marno] So in short, it's like, how do you make sure that you're not sacrificing the thing that you want for the thing that gets it? 00:45:02 [Marno] How do you guys structure your lives around that? 00:45:06 [Matt] It's a good one. 00:45:07 [Matt] The first thing that jumps to mind for me is, probably not super beneficial or positive to the answer that you're looking for, but it's saying, you know, do the things that other people won't do so that you can have the things that they won't get. 00:45:24 [Matt] So it's that kind of, I don't know, you almost with what he says there, it's like there is this period of temporary sacrifice. 00:45:32 [Matt] Mhmm. 00:45:34 [Matt] But how temporary is it? 00:45:35 [Matt] And, you know, like, when does it end? 00:45:36 [Matt] And like you said, like, when is it enough? 00:45:39 [Matt] So is it that there is this acceleration period where you are achieving a certain end, and then you decide to let your foot off the throttle and just kinda coast for a bit? 00:45:50 [Matt] Yeah. 00:45:50 [Matt] It's an interesting one. 00:45:51 [Matt] I haven't achieved that kind of level of zen enlightenment yet. 00:45:57 [Marno] That's a that's a process. 00:45:58 [Marno] Yeah. 00:45:58 [Marno] I mean, for me, it's still taking months. 00:45:59 [Marno] I'm getting better at it, but it's it's being more conscious of it because I'm too exactly that. 00:46:05 [Marno] Like, how do you measure it? 00:46:06 [Marno] When when is enough, and then when do you slow down? 00:46:09 [Marno] And it's now deciding because, as you know, like, I'm massive fan of actual mosing, and it's very much that mindset of, like, if you wanna get past the guy that eats cake and sleeps, then you don't need cake and you don't sleep. 00:46:21 [Marno] So, like, you just keep working. 00:46:24 [Marno] But it's in the same breath, making sure that I am conscious of what is the sacrifice. 00:46:31 [Marno] Is it the sacrifice of our relationship, Or is the sacrifice of I don't go out with the boys for a beer on Friday night? 00:46:38 [Marno] Like, what am I willing to sacrifice, and what does that actually amount to? 00:46:43 [Dave] Yeah. 00:46:43 [Dave] But I think it comes back to, like, what do you enjoy and what are your goals? 00:46:49 [Dave] And think about that and not what the world tells you your goals should be. 00:46:52 [Dave] And I think it's really easy to be, oh, I meant to do that and I should do that. 00:46:56 [Dave] And advertising tells me that that that I need to have one of these and one of those. 00:47:00 [Dave] And, you know, and there there is a bit of a stigma on on hard work in some senses nowadays in society. 00:47:08 [Dave] But if that's what you enjoy and it's like your hobby, that's not all bad as long as it's not obsessive. 00:47:13 [Dave] And I think as long as you've got balance and you do have some external relationships and things, and you're not letting those, like, die on the vine, I think it's fine in that. 00:47:23 [Dave] Like, over the holiday break, over Christmas but you know what? 00:47:26 [Dave] I'm gonna gonna tools down from valid agenda. 00:47:28 [Dave] I'm not gonna focus so much on my blueprints and my business consulting work, but I've got some things that I've been putting up. 00:47:35 [Dave] I've been putting aside, like, hobby projects that I really wanna do. 00:47:39 [Dave] Something I was doing, earlier last year that I started dabbling with was, like, forex currency trading and trying to build automated robots to do some some FX trading. 00:47:48 [Dave] So I was like, I had a few ideas of things and since I started playing with n eight n, I've got this idea where I wanna use some n eight n to grab some signals and and do some processing on it and send me some alerts and this automated thing, but I can't justify that time while I'm building my business. 00:48:02 [Marno] So I 00:48:02 [Dave] was like, you know what? 00:48:02 [Dave] Christmas break, I'm gonna go and build a bunch of n a n and automations and do all this kind of stuff. 00:48:07 [Dave] So while I'm taking a break from AI business, my hobby time was actually doing more AI automation stuff because I really enjoyed the challenge of that, and that was fun for me. 00:48:17 [Dave] And so that's that like, I was like, okay. 00:48:19 [Dave] I'm not feeling guilty that I'm working because I'm not working. 00:48:21 [Dave] I'm doing a thing that's is it's, you know, educational, interesting. 00:48:26 [Dave] It looks like work to some people, but for me, it's fine. 00:48:29 [Dave] I would rather do that. 00:48:30 [Dave] Some people, you know, they wanna go and carve a table, out of a log, and that's great. 00:48:35 [Dave] And woodwork's fun and great, but it's not something that I'm, like, drawn to with the tools and the equipment to do that. 00:48:42 [Dave] But for some people, that's what it is. 00:48:44 [Dave] And so, yep, I'm gonna work out on building my business, but I'm gonna gonna make sure that I get to progress my woodworking project in the garage, or I'm gonna make sure I still have date night with with the missus, or I make it to the kids ball game, or or or whatever it is. 00:48:57 [Marno] Yep. 00:48:58 [Marno] I 00:48:58 [Dave] think that that that's the trick, making sure that you're sort of, like, locking in some of those big rocks of the major things that you have to do because you because they're important to you. 00:49:06 [Marno] Mhmm. 00:49:08 [Dave] And then how you work and feel around that as long as you're staying healthy and getting some sleep, Matt. 00:49:12 [Dave] Get some sleep. 00:49:15 [Dave] Yeah. 00:49:16 [Dave] I I haven't I haven't been in the last three hours lately, but I've done plenty of sort of those one, 2AM mornings where you're just like one more prompt, one more prompt. 00:49:22 [Dave] Yeah. 00:49:23 [Dave] I I I it came back. 00:49:24 [Dave] It it coded that thing too fast. 00:49:27 [Dave] Now I need to give it more things to do. 00:49:29 [Dave] Yep. 00:49:30 [Dave] And I'm not even using Claude where I'm just spinning up sub agents and running that, like, anti gravity. 00:49:34 [Dave] It's like the one chat feed where you're sort of dealing one agent at a time and piggybacking between them. 00:49:39 [Dave] And, even that sometimes you think this is gonna take a little while to run this. 00:49:43 [Dave] And then thirty seconds later, it's jump back going done. 00:49:45 [Dave] And you're like, oh, man. 00:49:47 [Dave] Didn't get away from the keyboard in time. 00:49:50 [Dave] Yep. 00:49:51 [Matt] I think you should try. 00:49:52 [Matt] Like, our our the the creators of Anti Gravity, they describe their agent management system as a multi agent thing. 00:50:03 [Matt] You should try and just see how 00:50:04 [Dave] it goes. 00:50:04 [Dave] I I do. 00:50:05 [Dave] Like like, I'll go and and I'll also get it working on three different different things, but it's not like an orchestrated agent who will spin up its own sub agents. 00:50:13 [Dave] I need to go basically start individual threads which are individual agents and, one of the the the hacks I've been doing, I've I've just think I've shared with you guys, is I call them characters from DC. 00:50:22 [Dave] So, like, my analysis and analytics person because you got x-ray vision is Superman and my investigative journalist person is Lois and, Harry is sort of the the chief editor and and so on. 00:50:32 [Dave] Lex is my business guy. 00:50:34 [Dave] So it allows me to quickly just name a skill and talk to it as a skill. 00:50:39 [Dave] Go engage. 00:50:41 [Dave] Get Lois to do some research on blah blah blah blah blah. 00:50:43 [Dave] So much more fun than run researcher agent skill.md. 00:50:49 [Marno] I wonder how do you like, this is something that I'm personally working on, is how do you decide which jobs to say no to on the business side of it? 00:51:00 [Matt] That's a that's a good question for somebody that has lots of leads. 00:51:05 [Dave] Yeah. 00:51:05 [Dave] That I think comes back down to to knowing where your specialty is and where you drive value. 00:51:09 [Dave] And lead qualification is always gonna be one of those things. 00:51:11 [Dave] For any of our business for any business, any anyone who who's watching or talking to us, you need to know who will get value from your work and who won't. 00:51:18 [Dave] I was talking to another business consultant yesterday afternoon, and sort of talking about that that definition of some people don't they're just not a good fit, and you need to be able to say no to to them. 00:51:30 [Dave] Because in one instance, he had a client who was not taking on his advice. 00:51:34 [Dave] And so if they're not taking the advice and they're not actually making any changes, they're gonna get very upset very quickly that, oh, well, I'm gonna pay you all this money and my business isn't changing. 00:51:42 [Dave] It's because you're not making any changes. 00:51:45 [Marno] Yep. 00:51:45 [Dave] And so identifying clients that you want to work with. 00:51:48 [Dave] If you if you got that problem with too many clients and you gotta make choices of what you say no to, start working out who what kind of clients you want to work with, once you've got that luxury to do that. 00:52:02 [Dave] But I I had, one one, guy come talk to me, and I went out and had a chat with him. 00:52:08 [Dave] And they were a fairly small sort of start up family business, and their biggest issue was they needed more leads. 00:52:13 [Dave] They weren't getting enough leads through the door, and they dealt with sort of legal briefs and other bits and pieces. 00:52:18 [Dave] It was fairly complicated business from, like, a tech like, lot of lot of technicalities in the way they did something. 00:52:24 [Dave] They did actually a lot of human involvement to get it right. 00:52:27 [Dave] And so for them, I was like, you know what? 00:52:28 [Dave] Like, I get that. 00:52:29 [Dave] You don't wanna automate these. 00:52:30 [Dave] You gotta make sure this is all legally compliant. 00:52:32 [Dave] You gotta submit that. 00:52:33 [Dave] That's that all makes sense. 00:52:35 [Dave] And you're not big enough to really need to automate any of your customer processing systems. 00:52:39 [Dave] You need more leads. 00:52:40 [Dave] That's not my specialty. 00:52:41 [Dave] I've never been a social media marketing agency guy. 00:52:44 [Dave] I've never never been big on all the SEO stuff and all that kind of gear. 00:52:47 [Dave] I could try and go and learn it, and I could get AI to teach me things, but I'm not gonna love that work. 00:52:53 [Dave] I'm not gonna enjoy that work, and that's not the core of what I the value that I can bring to the other businesses. 00:52:59 [Dave] So I was like, here's where I'm at. 00:53:01 [Dave] Here's where you're at. 00:53:03 [Dave] I don't think there's much I can do for you in this instance. 00:53:06 [Dave] But if they grow and they get thousands of leads coming in the door, then they need some lead management processing and automation and CRM stuff to 00:53:11 [Marno] you. 00:53:12 [Marno] Yeah. 00:53:12 [Dave] Then maybe I can help them. 00:53:13 [Dave] So I I think it's that that that that qualification of who what sort of customers can you actually help, and that need your help and will appreciate it. 00:53:22 [Dave] Interesting. 00:53:23 [Marno] I wonder if it's as your mindset I know me and Matt are very much the same way. 00:53:27 [Marno] We love the puzzle. 00:53:28 [Marno] So I it was a reminder yesterday of I was working for a client, and we were just talking and reviewing the business as a whole. 00:53:36 [Marno] I'm like, I'm doing AI. 00:53:38 [Marno] It's all AI, I guess, related and using leveraging AI to achieve more in business, like, to do more of less. 00:53:47 [Marno] However, it's not one is business operations, one is HR, one is customer service, one is phone calls. 00:53:56 [Marno] Like, there's so many faculties that AI could be leveraged in, and it's almost this naiveness of everyone can benefit from AI. 00:54:04 [Marno] Like, I'm yet to find a business that can't benefit from the most basic implementations and just understandings of which tools to to leverage and to use for the right use cases. 00:54:15 [Marno] Yeah. 00:54:15 [Marno] And that's where I'm like, crap. 00:54:16 [Marno] Like, everyone can benefit, and I wanna help everyone, but not everyone's gonna pay the amount or pay the bills. 00:54:24 [Marno] And it might be a lot longer, like, exactly what you said there at the end, Dave, where if I say yes to this one client who wants the website done, but I know the website's gonna take me a month to get done, I could instead get another client or spend two weeks to get a client that does an AI audit, which pays twice as much as the website, and I do it in ninety minutes. 00:54:43 [Marno] I just spent the last two weeks getting it, but I wouldn't be able to get that if I said yes to the website. 00:54:48 [Dave] It's all is a is a bird in the hand with two in the bush as well. 00:54:51 [Dave] Especially at start ups and when you when you're getting your first clients, do you just say yes to everything because it's revenue and cash flow? 00:54:57 [Dave] Probably. 00:54:57 [Dave] And you just have to deal with the opportunity cost at that point. 00:55:01 [Dave] But then trying to to balance the workflow and work that out and go, okay. 00:55:04 [Dave] I need cash today, and this person's offering me cash. 00:55:07 [Dave] I should take that cash versus, you know what? 00:55:08 [Dave] I've got a bit of buffer, and I think I'm actually doing active things every week. 00:55:13 [Dave] I'm not just waiting for that that order to drop in my lap in two weeks' time. 00:55:16 [Dave] I'm doing things to generate that, you know, creating content and doing podcasts and getting my name out there and DM ing people and reaching out and making phone calls and knocking on doors and handing out brochures and, spinning the big arrow on the corner of the traffic lights, do whatever it is that you wanna do to promote your business. 00:55:33 [Dave] Yeah. 00:55:34 [Dave] I and and that that kinda comes back to the balance of of of that. 00:55:37 [Dave] So yeah. 00:55:38 [Dave] I mean, for for which business do you hold most? 00:55:41 [Dave] Again, it's like, and I think this is a hard thing. 00:55:44 [Dave] And I'll I'm a generalist. 00:55:45 [Dave] I'm a born generalist. 00:55:46 [Dave] I'm a bit of everything. 00:55:47 [Dave] Can dive into anything. 00:55:48 [Dave] Can learn a bit of everything. 00:55:52 [Dave] Where do you niche down to when you don't know who's gonna pay you yet? 00:55:55 [Dave] And you're like, oh, I don't wanna over niche down because maybe I'll miss a big old market opportunity. 00:56:01 [Dave] Right? 00:56:02 [Dave] I think that's that's the challenge of every business when you get started trying to work out who you are and where you should focus. 00:56:08 [Dave] Because I think, like you said, with your priorities, if you if everything's important, nothing's important. 00:56:12 [Dave] And if you can serve all the clients, you'll probably end up serving none of the clients. 00:56:16 [Marno] Exactly. 00:56:16 [Marno] Yeah. 00:56:17 [Dave] That's true. 00:56:17 [Dave] That's that's why I just went down to the blueprint thing. 00:56:21 [Dave] And when I I yes. 00:56:22 [Dave] I could do AI coaching, and I've done some of my workshops when I go was getting started, and that's an opportunity. 00:56:27 [Dave] And I can do some delivery stuff, although there's a guy like Matt that I can probably better off engaging to help me do delivery stuff that that than me trying to produce that. 00:56:36 [Dave] Where do I fit? 00:56:37 [Dave] That's there. 00:56:37 [Dave] But, again, now which sort of target customers do I target? 00:56:41 [Dave] And I was discussing this with this other consultant yesterday around, what is your key business size? 00:56:45 [Dave] Where where do they feel the pain? 00:56:46 [Dave] Who knows they've got pain? 00:56:47 [Dave] How do you reach them? 00:56:48 [Dave] Like, who's got the money to actually pay you? 00:56:50 [Dave] Like, solopreneurs, entrepreneurs that are just kicking off. 00:56:53 [Dave] They might really be able to leverage some of this AI stuff, but they also are very cash poor and can't afford to pay you. 00:56:58 [Marno] Exactly. 00:56:58 [Marno] Yeah. 00:57:00 [Dave] Yeah. 00:57:00 [Dave] I caught I caught up with a with a with another, someone I also used to work with, a few months back, and she was saying that she was getting involved in the start up community. 00:57:08 [Dave] She was doing, like, personal coaching and and and so and she found out that all the start up people have no money. 00:57:13 [Dave] So she's like, that's great that I'm involved in these communities, but I'm not gonna get paid working with all these startups. 00:57:19 [Dave] I need to work out where the communities are, where there's people that actually can afford to pay for what you offer. 00:57:25 [Dave] And, you know, when when you've got lots of money, then you can then you just can do pro bono work or we pro we produce free content and put it out on on YouTube to help people out. 00:57:36 [Matt] That's actually a huge goal of mine to be, like, a really massive proponent of open source software and to be able to empower people with stuff that, you know, they wouldn't get access to otherwise. 00:57:47 [Dave] You you mentioned the Ralph guy. 00:57:48 [Dave] He's like, I don't use open source anymore. 00:57:50 [Dave] I just code it. 00:57:51 [Dave] Like, I just just get get I Ralph it. 00:57:53 [Dave] Like, I don't need to use open source libraries. 00:57:55 [Dave] I just get Ralph to go rebuild it now. 00:57:57 [Matt] It's true. 00:57:58 [Matt] And, you know, for people that have access to that kind of level of understanding of software engineering and where it's going, yeah, there's there's a lot of exciting stuff happening there. 00:58:10 [Matt] As someone, like, to to piggyback on Mano's, like, point and question really quick, as someone who's been that guy that's accepted everything that's come his way and sort of said yes to everything just to try and get experience and then felt the weird, uncomfortable sting of not being able to fulfill everyone because you've taken on too much. 00:58:32 [Matt] Mhmm. 00:58:33 [Matt] The only, like, advice I have for anyone who is finding themselves in that same position is go really, really heavily on scoping the project. 00:58:44 [Matt] So, like, when you're saying yes, just say, yeah. 00:58:46 [Matt] Of course. 00:58:46 [Matt] But, you know, we need to actually discuss this properly. 00:58:48 [Matt] Let's get everything figured out. 00:58:50 [Matt] You know, do proper proposals. 00:58:51 [Matt] You know, you can be informal, but make sure that there's that, like, tennis game. 00:58:56 [Matt] You know, the send the thing over, get the answers, okay, revise, send the thing over again. 00:59:01 [Matt] Because in that process, if if you don't like working with the person just to establish a plan, then you're not gonna like working with them to act like that. 00:59:08 [Matt] So That's 00:59:09 [Marno] a very good play. 00:59:10 [Marno] I actually like that a lot. 00:59:10 [Marno] That's a very good method of approaching it because I'm now, in my side, affecting a few, like, past jobs. 00:59:17 [Marno] And if I had that, the job would have been easier, and I also would have known earlier to not have taken on that job. 00:59:23 [Marno] Yeah. 00:59:24 [Marno] Yeah. 00:59:25 [Dave] Yeah. 00:59:25 [Dave] Definitely. 00:59:26 [Marno] I'm I'm putting on my little to do list. 00:59:29 [Marno] You know, I have 00:59:29 [Matt] one goal every time I speak to Mano, and it's for him to write something down. 00:59:34 [Matt] Yeah. 00:59:37 [Dave] Brilliant. 00:59:37 [Dave] Well, thanks thanks, guys. 00:59:39 [Dave] We're we're we're coming to the end of the hour. 00:59:40 [Dave] We'll try to keep this generally an air ish show. 00:59:42 [Dave] We'll see how the chats go. 00:59:44 [Dave] I think, you know, episode one, I called it start a new chat, a bit tongue in cheek. 00:59:48 [Dave] So all the prompts sort of pop up normally, so it's something along those lines. 00:59:52 [Dave] And this is a a new chat for us, new chat for the audience. 00:59:56 [Dave] Had a a bunch of people coming in and out as we've been going on. 00:59:59 [Dave] So if you've been here for the full hour, thank you. 01:00:02 [Dave] We are back every week. 01:00:04 [Dave] This is a live show. 01:00:05 [Dave] No safety net. 01:00:06 [Dave] And so you're just gonna hear unfiltered commentary and banter. 01:00:10 [Dave] And as we, continue to to to connect, the banter will grow, and so will the insights. 01:00:16 [Dave] So, thank you. 01:00:17 [Dave] Hey, boys, any any last things you wanna leave the audience with before we wrap up? 01:00:24 [Matt] My my one is don't be afraid of learning. 01:00:27 [Matt] You know, like, I picture somebody like my dad who, you know, wants to learn something, but he has that intense anxiety and fear of actually starting it because it's different. 01:00:38 [Matt] Just find the least friction way for you to engage even agentically using ChachiPT, Claude, whatever, and just discuss it slowly. 01:00:49 [Matt] Just don't be afraid to learn. 01:00:51 [Dave] Nice. 01:00:52 [Dave] Nice. 01:00:52 [Marno] I I wanna build on that and a 100% say is when you're learning, you're going to suck. 01:00:57 [Marno] It's part of the process. 01:00:59 [Marno] Accept it. 01:00:59 [Marno] Everyone goes through it. 01:01:01 [Marno] You have to like, you don't expect someone to start playing tennis and pick it up immediately. 01:01:06 [Marno] So give yourself the grace that you give others, and just keep on trying. 01:01:10 [Marno] Yeah. 01:01:10 [Marno] Keep on learning. 01:01:12 [Dave] Brilliant. 01:01:12 [Dave] Brilliant. 01:01:13 [Dave] Great insights, guys. 01:01:15 [Dave] Get out there. 01:01:16 [Dave] Just play. 01:01:16 [Dave] Ask agents questions. 01:01:18 [Dave] Just and don't there's so many things out there. 01:01:21 [Dave] Don't feel like you're missing out because there's so much content out there. 01:01:23 [Dave] Pick something that you're interested in and give that a go. 01:01:26 [Dave] You don't have to be great at everything and learn everything. 01:01:28 [Dave] I'm strongly resisting the urge to try and install mobile because I just don't have the time for it yet. 01:01:34 [Dave] And maybe it'll be a huge productivity game, but maybe it'll just be a time time suck and I've got other things I've gotta knock off first. 01:01:40 [Matt] Sounds like, I need to make you a YouTube video. 01:01:43 [Matt] Nice clean-cut. 01:01:43 [Matt] Click one. 01:01:44 [Marno] I'll be for it. 01:01:45 [Dave] Yep. 01:01:48 [Dave] Brilliant. 01:01:48 [Dave] Well, thanks, guys. 01:01:49 [Dave] Thank you, everyone. 01:01:50 [Dave] Thank you, and we'll, see you back here next week. 01:01:55 [Dave] Thanks, gentlemen. 01:01:57 [Dave] Thank you. 01:01:58 [Dave] If if anyone wants to engage further with any of us, all our links are in the description at the bottom. 01:02:03 [Dave] And, of course, like, subscribe, hit the bell icon to hear when we go live next week, Wednesdays, every Wednesday, we'll be back, and we'll see you next week. 01:02:13 [Dave] Thanks, boys. 01:02:13 [Marno] Love it. 01:02:14 [Marno] Take care. 01:02:14 [Marno] See you, lads. 01:02:15 [Matt] See you.